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gonna get educated today for sure yeah

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everything that Gary Nolan has in his

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the most pertinent things the most

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some medical effects questions you want

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um we've had a lot of good feedback so

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has now arrived The Time Is Here best

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right back with Dr Gary Nolan on UAP

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welcome back everybody to UAP studies

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podcast my name is Louis Borges joining

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how you doing I'm doing good the

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professor's in the house today yeah we

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hasn't heard of him I don't know of

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immunologist he's an author and a

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researcher an academic inventor some of

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Gary like most doctors don't get into

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of the world's best

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the University of Toronto and uh so it

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stories but I don't dismiss anecdotes as

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crashes or anything like that absolute

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land there's issues right and people do

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what scene and we can fully claim credit

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phenomenon is akin to Angels demons and

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replacement for what we've been calling

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angels and demons and God or are they so

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word magic as woo I want to think of the

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word that we what we perceive as magic

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people who clearly and and Garner access

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the idea that it appears to be possible

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maybe you know these kinds of abilities

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with people about for them to look at

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the data and agree with me that the the

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data at the very least is real we can

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like seeing people dismiss things is you

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know the people who come forward with

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these ideas are doing so honestly and so

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to be laughed out of the room or attempt

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to lack people out of the room is is I

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scientist your PhD or MD you you know or

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you basically are taking an oath that

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nothing is ever taken off the table

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uh until formally and completely proven

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as being impossible or not the right

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answer and so if you take things off the

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table you you basically are breaking

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your oath

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and so I just uh that that kind of

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aggravates me I don't know what it is

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it's just sort of like a

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self-righteousness on my part but I I

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don't like seeing people do that I don't

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like seeing people derided right and uh

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and dismissed especially when they're

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coming forward honestly I mean if if

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scientists want to be accepted as the

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Arbiters of Truth the last thing you

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should be doing is laughing lay people

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out of the room

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right and that's happened time and time

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and again with insights and we were

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talking to Jimmy Blanchette not that

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long ago and he was mentioning that uh

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you know that it's been sort of part of

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science now that you know you'll get

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laughed at for looking at something

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um well now we got people like

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yourselves and and Abby Loeb likes you

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know people of High reputation and you

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guys are smart like you're intelligent

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people and you're looking into this

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seriously

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and this is fascinating we've haven't

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had that in the past like we haven't had

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the science community

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sort of step up to the plate and say hey

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there's actually something here and you

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guys are doing that like it's uh it's

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I hate to put

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the place because you know in the 50s

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and 60s there were people who came

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forward and did it and they just

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unfortunately been forgotten I think I

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was I was watching Leslie Keane's fourth

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third or fourth episode of her our show

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not last night

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um going into a level of detail about

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um Alan heineck Alan heinek anyway uh

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and and he was you know he was really a

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Pioneer in cushioning this area there

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have been other Pioneers pushing let's

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say parapsychology serious scientists

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and they just get forgotten

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and uh you know we're so in some ways

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we're just rediscovering uh those past

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events and in fact one of the things I

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want to do is go back and read a lot

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more now about Alan heineck because

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again some of the the means of rhetoric

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that he used to combat uh some of the

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Skeptics is why should I have to relearn

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it if he's already come up with it right

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yeah and we chatted with uh Donald

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Schmidt the other day he's an upcoming

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episode and he was basically I think he

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worked with John heinck for eight years

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towards the end of his life and that was

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at a stage in his career where he was

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done kind of sugar coating things he

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within his Circle he was giving

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everybody the goods because he wanted

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this and he just talked about how

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initially the government hired this guy

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to debunk it but he didn't go that way

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and he really believed by the end of it

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that there is a phenomenon it needs to

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be looked at and if it wasn't for his

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efforts that we wouldn't be here now but

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uh it's amazing how people change even

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Jacques Valley we chat with him and I

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asked him I said did you know Jacques

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and your age what do you want to tell

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everybody after doing this for decades

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and he just said suspend judgment he

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said if I went with every Theory I ever

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had I would have been wrong a dozen

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times and uh and to Jason's point about

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Jimmy Blanchette when you deal with

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mathematicians and guys writing formula

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it's difficult to say well I know I've

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been talking about this and pushing this

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theory for 30 years but maybe I was

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wrong so there's a bit of Pride and ego

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to kind of keep the Old Guard and not

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allow some of these new ideas and

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physics or just science in general to

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come to the Forefront it's not a old man

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versus young man thing but it sometimes

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it's like we kind of look at it like

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that you're either the Old Guard or the

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new open-minded guys like yourself right

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right well it's I mean I'm heartened by

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the number of people who are now openly

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willing to discuss the matter uh you

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know my email is usually full of two

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kinds of emails one let's call them lay

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people who have had experiences and want

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my input on something and very often

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they're just they just are telling me

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something and they're not asking me for

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anything they just want to have somebody

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to listen right and so

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um you know I do my best to respond to

387
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these and what what's my

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current that I haven't answered there's

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uh 554 emails in this particular

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subfolder of my from all kinds of people

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um and uh you know but then there was

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also the scientists emails that I get

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they say hey I want to help I got I got

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an email from somebody at Nvidia the

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other day and they said hey there's a

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whole group of us here at Nvidia and we

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would love to be able to help what can

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we do and so my answer back to them is

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well look I can put you in contact with

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people who are doing machine learning

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and maybe your uh maybe Nvidia could

402
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sponsor you know with some of your gpus

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the machine learning stuff that they're

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wanting to do

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um and then I get emails from doctors or

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psychiatrists to say hey are there

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people I can help

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uh and so that's that's good I mean it's

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you know it's going to be a slow process

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and I I'm not

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um

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I'm I'm not starry-eyed about that

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everything is going to open up by the

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summer time I think there's going to be

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a give and take and there might be a

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rechargement of uh of pushbacks that put

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this back in the hole for another 10

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years I hope not

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um but I I do think that each time this

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happens

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we open the aperture just that little

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bit more uh and bring in more people

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um there's I I I I never get any more

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when I go out into my mainstream Arena

425
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any pushback uh people in fact

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introduce me for my mainstream talks and

427
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say Hey you know if you want you know

428
00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:39,960
Gary will talk about this other area

429
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uh later with you or I get those

430
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questions at dinner people come up to me

431
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and have these kinds of uh these kinds

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of questions and they're serious about

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it I mean I just look at the I mean

434
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again I was I was watching in Leslie

435
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Keane's thing they were talking about

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the the event that happened in Chicago

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at the United terminal and how the

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Chicago Tribune it was it was the most

439
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clicked on story in Chicago Tribune's

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history the

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the New York Times event was again the

442
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most clicked on uh story uh ever and so

443
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you can't say that the public is

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uninterested in this

445
00:18:26,750 --> 00:18:25,500
yeah well the public it's amazing the

446
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amount of people you mentioned this

447
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before in a podcast I saw you mention

448
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this as well but once they know that

449
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you're open

450
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to the possibilities of these crafts

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being from somewhere else some other

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intelligence they open up and they they

453
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have stories themselves or they you know

454
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I had this one gentleman this week say

455
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well my dad worked for NORAD and uh he's

456
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seen some stuff and I'm like it's

457
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amazing like just general encounters the

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amount of people have seen it and you

459
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know what Gary even uh talking to other

460
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people that uh have been in a defense

461
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department in the military they're all

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experiencing this as well we had a Jim

463
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semivan which explained that he woke up

464
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one night with three little dudes in his

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room yeah I knew about that like five or

466
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six years ago and visited his house and

467
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heard the story and there's some pretty

468
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yeah frightening stuff really yeah but

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the fact that it's happening to people

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within the defense department the people

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that are in charge of of guarding

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countries that's where disclosure comes

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from it's like these people coming

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forward and science you know stepping up

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and saying okay let's investigate how

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can we do this

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um and one question I had for you

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because I know science usually you have

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to do experiments in a controlled way or

480
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something that's repeatable it's it's

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difficult with this field isn't it

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because there's no way for us to repeat

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these events

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so yeah so I mean I think

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um which is why at one level the areas

486
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that I focused primarily on our

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materials and studying materials because

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those are repeatable right

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um and why I

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focused on the medical issue because you

491
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know that's data I can collect I can

492
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verify I can handle somebody else

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they'll know that I didn't fake the MRI

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uh and um and so those are more material

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aspects it's why I leave the historical

496
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arguments to the historians and the

497
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philosophers because there's you know

498
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:27,120
we've been around some of these

499
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arguments so many times that no further

500
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argument is going to convince anybody of

501
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anything if they're recording they've

502
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already got an opinion

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um but I do think though that the

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stories and the anecdotes uh can be

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corralled into a story of proof uh and

506
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it's it's something that needs to be

507
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some time needs to be spent on to figure

508
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out how do we turn these stories into a

509
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Groove because you know in a psychology

510
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Journal you can do a whole bunch of

511
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interviews of people and you can come up

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with a set of conclusions about

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human mental Consciousness and reality

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that is taken as as a as truth and proof

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so you know I I think it's going to need

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somebody who's good at those kinds of

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studies to to address the problem

518
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but you know a different way of looking

519
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,520
at it is and I was talking about this um

520
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just yesterday on another or two days

521
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ago on another podcast is

522
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let's look at what's going on in the

523
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government right now where uh Arrow uh

524
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and or the dod are coming out and saying

525
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well this set of this set of objects we

526
00:21:42,890 --> 00:21:40,320
we know and we can dismiss as as you

527
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know knowns and or knowables and then

528
00:21:46,250 --> 00:21:45,360
we've got this other class uh and what

529
00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:46,260
they're doing is they're playing

530
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,260
basically games with words here where

531
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they've got this other class where

532
00:21:55,370 --> 00:21:53,340
there's actually two subclasses within

533
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that other class one is there's not

534
00:21:59,630 --> 00:21:57,440
enough data to say anything about it

535
00:22:02,090 --> 00:21:59,640
whatsoever there's just not enough data

536
00:22:04,270 --> 00:22:02,100
you know but there's some Anonymous

537
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:04,280
information there and then there's

538
00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:07,679
absolutely anomalous information where

539
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:11,580
they've disproven that it's Chinese or

540
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:16,799
Russian or ours and yet because they've

541
00:22:22,669 --> 00:22:19,799
set up their structure as if I can't

542
00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:22,679
prove what it is I'm going to say that

543
00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:24,500
it's not alien

544
00:22:28,370 --> 00:22:26,820
and so they've they're playing this game

545
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:28,380
where they're where they're where

546
00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:31,740
they're using the ins the insufficiently

547
00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:34,020
understood objects

548
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:37,860
to cloak the sufficiently understood but

549
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:42,000
not defined objects and just basically

550
00:22:45,169 --> 00:22:43,200
saying well you know they're they're

551
00:22:46,850 --> 00:22:45,179
nothing we don't understand they won't

552
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,860
admit to anything until they understand

553
00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:49,679
what it is and if it's never going to

554
00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:52,260
land and say hi I'm an alien they're

555
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:54,120
playing this game where they where

556
00:22:59,870 --> 00:22:56,760
they're not uh coming forward honestly

557
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:59,880
and saying hey this is just not ours and

558
00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:02,159
it's a technology so I've been

559
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:04,500
struggling with trying to find a

560
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,380
definition or a word that we can use for

561
00:23:14,090 --> 00:23:09,840
each of these two classes to start to

562
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:14,100
now Force the dod to admit that these

563
00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:15,299
things that they have sufficient

564
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:17,400
information on

565
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:20,820
that it is uh something which is not

566
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:24,240
human at the very least an anomalous you

567
00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:25,440
see you see the game they're playing

568
00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:29,100
yeah yeah and it's um and maybe I'm just

569
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:30,659
not smart enough to figure out how to

570
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,200
how to turn it into a verbiage yet but

571
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,480
it's something that I'm I I think the

572
00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:38,400
field at large needs to think more about

573
00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:40,740
and we need to force them to basically

574
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,600
come forward and say look this is either

575
00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:44,640
class one or class two

576
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:46,200
yeah right

577
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:49,020
and I think that the search for proof is

578
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:50,880
what everybody's looking for and

579
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:52,260
everybody's version of proof is

580
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:54,120
different so even if you had proof

581
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:56,220
somebody would just discredit it but I

582
00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:57,720
think some of the harder things to

583
00:24:03,289 --> 00:24:00,780
discredit are physical tangible like you

584
00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:03,299
said medical effects injuries meta

585
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,220
materials and I know you know quite a

586
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:06,960
bit about it and I wanted to ask you a

587
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:08,340
little bit about that and the thing that

588
00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:10,200
got me interested in metamaterials was

589
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:12,419
the sample that apparently went to Art

590
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,179
Bell years ago was supposedly from a a

591
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:17,039
crash retrieval it was then given to

592
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:19,860
Linda Moulton Howe and then I think ttsa

593
00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:22,140
subsequently bought it for like 35 Grand

594
00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:25,500
to analyze and Hal putoff did a whole uh

595
00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:27,900
presentation on it and basically the sum

596
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:29,280
of it and I'm sure you're well aware and

597
00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:31,140
you can elaborate but I couldn't believe

598
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:32,100
that

599
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,960
thinness of the layers

600
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:38,880
um you know the Bismuth and magnesium I

601
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,500
think it was made from had a different

602
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,200
isotopic uh signature something that

603
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:45,840
didn't come from Earth per se and they

604
00:24:48,049 --> 00:24:46,860
couldn't figure out what it would be

605
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:48,059
used for who would want to make

606
00:24:52,130 --> 00:24:50,220
something like that and that maybe even

607
00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:52,140
perhaps I hope you're reaching for a

608
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:53,700
sample of meta materials right now that

609
00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:56,340
would blow my mind but long story short

610
00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:58,919
they they hypothesized that the way it

611
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:01,740
was made would create a waveform of some

612
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:03,900
sort or like a wave guide and that's

613
00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:07,380
perhaps how these craft move so what can

614
00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:08,820
you tell us about meta materials I'm

615
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:12,539
fascinated there's a piece of the

616
00:25:18,010 --> 00:25:15,059
material and unfortunately you can't

617
00:25:21,289 --> 00:25:18,020
focus well that's the same

618
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,299
yeah that's the uh that's the one that

619
00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:23,760
this is a piece of the same material

620
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,460
yeah yeah multi-layered right weird

621
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:29,039
material so how was something like that

622
00:25:33,169 --> 00:25:32,039
made I mean the thinness of it the

623
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,179
amount of layers I know there's been

624
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:35,279
other samples that are Alloys with like

625
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,380
17 different base compound like why

626
00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:39,600
would you go through the effort to make

627
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:40,919
something like that and they're

628
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:43,260
definitely not being used currently so

629
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:45,299
what do you make of that

630
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:46,740
um well I I'm not enough of a

631
00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:51,000
metallurgist to to to say why or how

632
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:54,059
somebody would make it

633
00:26:03,230 --> 00:25:58,500
um but I have verified that in that one

634
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:03,240
the uh the Magnesium Isotopes seem to be

635
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:04,740
inverted

636
00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:08,940
uh instead of it being let's say 89 11

637
00:26:18,049 --> 00:26:13,980
and 9 uh it's 89 9 and 11. yeah um and

638
00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:18,059
you know but I'm not sure that there's

639
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:20,279
not a good

640
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:23,220
physical reason why the manner in which

641
00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:25,260
it was analyzed didn't give that

642
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,240
inverted ratio but somebody else had

643
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:30,240
noted the same inverted ratio

644
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,340
um and so I I don't know what it means

645
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:34,080
and I don't think it's necessarily proof

646
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:36,900
of anything uh you know the

647
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:39,600
it people say that they don't know how

648
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:42,120
to make this again

649
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:43,440
um but that doesn't mean that somebody

650
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:46,200
didn't find a way to make it I I you

651
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:49,559
know until you show that it has a

652
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:52,980
function that you can't understand

653
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:56,480
then there's a good reason to believe

654
00:27:01,130 --> 00:26:58,919
that or there's no good reason to

655
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,140
believe that it was alien right let's

656
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:03,360
say it that way but one of the things

657
00:27:09,529 --> 00:27:06,059
that I will be doing on this is doing an

658
00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:09,539
atomic structure analysis of it

659
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:11,580
um the reason why I took it out of the I

660
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:14,400
I have it here is because I'm setting up

661
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:16,380
to do just that analysis and I took it

662
00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:19,740
out of the out of the bank walls where I

663
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:22,260
keep all of my stuff

664
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,100
um and uh you know because maybe that

665
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,279
will give me a clue as to that it's made

666
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:31,860
in a manner that's different than how

667
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:34,500
others might make it or that it's made

668
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:37,860
somehow in a way that there's no

669
00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:41,760
comparable material on Earth it again it

670
00:27:51,289 --> 00:27:49,610
ET yeah it just means that it's made I

671
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:51,299
mean it's clearly a material that is

672
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,659
made it's a it's a it's an industrial

673
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:57,120
process of some kind

674
00:28:02,450 --> 00:27:59,340
but some people have suggested that that

675
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:02,460
stuff is just from the bottom of some

676
00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:05,100
smelting pot and the layers that occur

677
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,020
in this Melting Pot

678
00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:09,600
I don't know I know there's a huge chunk

679
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:12,600
of it and I know that ttsa has given it

680
00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:14,520
to the government and I know actually

681
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:16,380
quite a bit more about it but I can't

682
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,900
talk about uh and where it is and who

683
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,120
who has it now

684
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:23,360
um but uh

685
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:26,700
I do know that it's a it's about to be

686
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:30,360
subjected to the full range of analysis

687
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:32,760
techniques that it hasn't been subjected

688
00:28:36,370 --> 00:28:35,340
to before or at least it's promised to

689
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:36,380
be

690
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:39,900
just know that that's what's what's

691
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,340
going on yeah yeah fair enough

692
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:43,440
appreciate that and we've got a viewer

693
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,480
who's a scientist and when they found

694
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:47,039
out that you were coming on they said

695
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:49,320
ask him how it's possible to have

696
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,480
different isotopes can that not only

697
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:53,760
exist in a particle accelerator like you

698
00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:56,400
can't there's many isotopes of elements

699
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,500
but the ones we find here are usually

700
00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:00,000
only here you know so when you have

701
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:01,140
things that

702
00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:03,179
is there anything you can you can shed

703
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:05,580
on that well I mean the way to think

704
00:29:09,049 --> 00:29:08,100
about it is that the isotope ratios that

705
00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:09,059
we have

706
00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:12,659
on Earth of I mean Iron has four I think

707
00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:14,580
four or five and titanium has four or

708
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:16,440
five and

709
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:19,140
um you know and and so the the ratios of

710
00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:22,140
the Isotopes are pretty much determined

711
00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:26,100
um by the Stellar uh you know whatever

712
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:30,539
explode whatever uh Suns went supernova

713
00:29:36,049 --> 00:29:33,419
creating that had created the various

714
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:36,059
isotopic ratios that eventually

715
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,020
coalesced into planet Earth uh

716
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,679
that's what set the values

717
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:45,360
um and so

718
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:49,799
uh you can take iron you can there's a

719
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:51,779
variety of ways to to do it you can turn

720
00:29:56,590 --> 00:29:54,779
it into a gas and then

721
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:56,600
um you can separate the gas by weight

722
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,820
and separate out the different purified

723
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:01,679
Isotopes

724
00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:03,240
um and you know one of the well the

725
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,460
instrument that we developed you know

726
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:08,399
with this guy Scott Tanner cytop uses

727
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:11,700
metal Isotopes as tags so we go out and

728
00:30:16,669 --> 00:30:14,880
we buy from there's a few companies that

729
00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:16,679
actually spend a lot of money doing this

730
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,220
and you know a few grams that it costs

731
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:22,320
you know several tens of thousands of

732
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:26,520
dollars to get a 99 pure isotope of this

733
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:27,960
bad or the other

734
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:30,600
and the rarer or the smaller the

735
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:31,980
percentage of the isotope the more

736
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:34,260
expensive it is

737
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:36,360
um so you can get individual Isotopes

738
00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:39,720
and mix them at every ratio you want

739
00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:42,539
so it it can be done it's just expensive

740
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:44,419
as hell yeah but

741
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:47,100
more so and this is the most important

742
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,500
aspect of it is that

743
00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:51,360
um

744
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:54,059
there's no good physics reason why you

745
00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:55,559
would right

746
00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:57,179
except maybe to make it a little bit

747
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,860
lighter right there's no there's I mean

748
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:04,799
the only reason you might use different

749
00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:08,700
ratios is uh you know because some

750
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:11,640
Isotopes or some certain number of

751
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,240
neutrons and protons are uh paramagnetic

752
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:18,000
and can be seen and used differentially

753
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:20,279
in a magnetic field

754
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:22,140
um people are now starting to understand

755
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:26,100
that if I put an isotope of carbon here

756
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,980
in an enzyme and a different isotope of

757
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:31,440
carbon here and an enzyme that creates a

758
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:33,240
slightly different electrostatic pull

759
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,640
that changes the catalytic activity of

760
00:31:39,889 --> 00:31:37,679
the enzyme slightly

761
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:39,899
um so there's there's subtleties about

762
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:43,140
it but you know to to

763
00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:48,120
use them Wholesale in some machine or

764
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:50,220
process there's just no physics reason

765
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,100
that we understand yet for doing so and

766
00:31:58,810 --> 00:31:55,279
yet when you see some of these materials

767
00:32:02,570 --> 00:31:58,820
that we've analyzed and they have these

768
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:02,580
you know way off ratios it's like okay

769
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,340
are they using those ratios for

770
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:06,960
something that we don't understand is

771
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:10,679
there some subtlety of the of the

772
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:13,380
physics uh down at that level that they

773
00:32:18,289 --> 00:32:15,240
understand that we don't or is this the

774
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:18,299
result of a process and this is the

775
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,440
waste product

776
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:22,559
that ends up creating this these

777
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:25,679
different ratios I just don't know but

778
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:28,559
when you see those different ratios you

779
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:30,659
can walk away with one bit of knowledge

780
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:35,100
somebody did it yeah somebody else did

781
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,980
it to happen so in your best estimation

782
00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:39,840
maybe you can't answer this but I gotta

783
00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:42,299
ask do you believe the planet

784
00:32:47,389 --> 00:32:44,820
governments whatever are in position or

785
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:47,399
possession of actual materials that did

786
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:49,860
not originate here

787
00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:50,760
um

788
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:55,020
who I believe I don't believe anything I

789
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:56,220
trust

790
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:02,330
things that they tell me and so the

791
00:33:06,529 --> 00:33:05,220
answer to that would be yes fair enough

792
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,539
and I know you're a science guy you're

793
00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:08,159
not going to emphatically say it's this

794
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:09,659
or it's not unless it can be proven

795
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:12,120
scientifically I get that but I just

796
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:13,860
from what you know and without giving

797
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,659
anything away I just wanted to know like

798
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,000
do you have people told you we have some

799
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,640
stuff that's not as explainable like we

800
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,080
have explainables that we just can't

801
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,659
explain but they will be explained we're

802
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:26,460
just not there with science then there's

803
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:28,380
the other stuff that's like that is a

804
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:30,419
totally different category so I think

805
00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:31,860
that's kind of where people could walk

806
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:33,419
me into a hangar and show me something

807
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:35,460
they claim to be a UFO and I still might

808
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:38,340
wonder whether or not it's a hoax yeah I

809
00:33:42,830 --> 00:33:41,159
have to have some functional proof that

810
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:42,840
it's doing something that we don't

811
00:33:48,049 --> 00:33:45,899
understand yeah you know and that's you

812
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:48,059
know and and I think especially in

813
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:52,019
something of of this magnitude

814
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:53,820
um you know there's any of a number of

815
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:55,320
good reasons why somebody might try to

816
00:34:02,210 --> 00:33:59,279
fake things uh but um you know I have

817
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,220
again good reason reason to trust

818
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,279
a number of individuals who are actually

819
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:08,159
part of the reverse engineering or very

820
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,359
close to the reverse engineering

821
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:12,240
programs or who have testified

822
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:13,440
to the fact

823
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:15,480
uh recently

824
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:19,260
and so you know when you testify you're

825
00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:21,000
under oath

826
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:23,580
and so you know these people are putting

827
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,280
their careers at risk for breaking one

828
00:34:30,730 --> 00:34:29,280
oath and they're taking another uh and

829
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:30,740
telling the truth

830
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,659
so um or what they what they believe to

831
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,520
be the truth yeah

832
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,200
what I find fascinating about these

833
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:39,359
crafts as well is not just the material

834
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:41,940
uh that seems to be part of these you

835
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,200
know people have seen uh UFOs or crafts

836
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:48,000
of up close

837
00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:50,280
um but it's also the fact that they can

838
00:34:54,349 --> 00:34:52,859
see doors opening out of nowhere or

839
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,359
Windows and then all of a sudden the

840
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,220
window disappears or the door disappears

841
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,320
like these things tend to be able to to

842
00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:00,960
move in a certain way

843
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,580
um so I find that fascinating because it

844
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:04,320
also goes to show you what these

845
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,080
materials are capable of right so

846
00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:09,359
okay all right we're back we've uh we

847
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,940
have the uh the secret government is

848
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:13,200
trying to shut us down here today it

849
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,760
seems Gary was saying that he thinks

850
00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:16,400
it's orbs

851
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,079
I blame the orbs

852
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:21,900
um okay so where was I uh talking about

853
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:24,359
proof seeing craft just because we don't

854
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:26,099
know how it's made doesn't mean it's

855
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:28,200
automatically E.T right it doesn't mean

856
00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:31,320
it's it's E.T so uh you know it's it's

857
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,960
just another notch in your belt about

858
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,480
things but it's it it really is function

859
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:38,160
that

860
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,720
um the proof now you know if you saw it

861
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:47,640
come down and crash

862
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:51,060
and you collected it uh after that crash

863
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:53,099
then you probably don't need any further

864
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:55,020
proof I'm talking about something that I

865
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:58,619
I might just be shown yeah so

866
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:59,339
um

867
00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:00,780
you know but the people who've been

868
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:02,820
supposedly collecting these materials or

869
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:05,880
frankly if you had a biological of some

870
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:08,880
kind that was you know clearly not a

871
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:12,180
hoax uh then it's pretty clear that you

872
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:13,440
know that would be something that would

873
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:16,380
be sufficient as as proof I think the

874
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,000
you know the the open question is

875
00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:23,520
who who is keeping this stuff I mean

876
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:26,339
there's there's the whole we don't want

877
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:28,200
to scare the populace but then there's

878
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,359
there's probably something more

879
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,599
behind this that's somebody's benefiting

880
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:35,280
uh and doesn't want anybody else to

881
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,420
benefit

882
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:38,880
and or they're afraid that they've done

883
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,380
something illegal

884
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:42,000
uh or they know that they've done

885
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,220
something illegal and they're uh in our

886
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:46,980
little they're wary of being put in jail

887
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:49,320
or called out on it

888
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:52,740
so you know the the way around that as

889
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:55,140
has been discussed at least around the

890
00:36:59,290 --> 00:36:57,420
putting people in jail part of things is

891
00:37:03,650 --> 00:36:59,300
some sort of amnesty

892
00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:03,660
uh and uh but that might be insufficient

893
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:05,339
if somebody's making a lot of money on

894
00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:09,599
it uh to you know to

895
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:12,060
lure them out of the Shadows

896
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:14,579
and it could just be somebody who just

897
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,980
likes to control things it might have

898
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:18,720
nothing to do with with anything other

899
00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:21,420
than they like to be in the secret club

900
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,339
and have access to this stuff and they

901
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:25,680
don't want anybody else to right

902
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:29,700
um and so you know it's I this is why I

903
00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:32,040
think I'm actually happy about both

904
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:33,960
arrow and

905
00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:34,740
um

906
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:37,380
and Biden now having the interagency

907
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:39,900
task force uh putting a little bit more

908
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,440
pressure on uh on things you know

909
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:45,240
whether they achieve anything I don't

910
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:47,099
know or whether even if they find

911
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:48,780
anything out they'll let anybody else

912
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:51,720
know about it I don't know

913
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,460
um and so I'm just hopeful that's all

914
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:56,400
you were mentioning yeah sorry jay I was

915
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:57,480
just going to say it seems like there'd

916
00:38:02,569 --> 00:37:59,880
be a clear benefit for the military or

917
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,579
private companies having access to this

918
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:04,320
technology like it wouldn't make sense

919
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,180
to just give it away for free this can

920
00:38:10,970 --> 00:38:09,119
be monetized weaponized so if there are

921
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,980
findings it probably would make it into

922
00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:12,960
those Industries before we would ever

923
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:15,540
know anyways yeah and yeah and there's

924
00:38:19,609 --> 00:38:16,859
been plenty of discussion you know the

925
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:19,619
day after Roswell by corso and others

926
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:23,820
about uh how technology has been leaked

927
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,820
into public use uh you know more

928
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:28,800
surreptitiously

929
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,010
the best and the brightest are probably

930
00:38:42,349 --> 00:38:40,320
not associated with the necessary

931
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:42,359
programs

932
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:46,260
to Divine the purpose and function of

933
00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:47,460
these things

934
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:50,339
I would just I would suggest you know

935
00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:52,740
that they you know they they stove pipe

936
00:38:57,290 --> 00:38:54,540
them so much and I mean science works

937
00:39:00,349 --> 00:38:57,300
best when it's open right

938
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,359
right collaboration yeah yeah I mean I

939
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:03,000
have a good example of of of something

940
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:07,800
that you know how how unexpectedly uh a

941
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:09,540
search for let's say extraterrestrial

942
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:12,180
life on Mars ended up benefiting all of

943
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:13,320
humanity

944
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,920
so the Viking Landers were actually the

945
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,960
the experiments that were done for life

946
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:21,119
were actually designed in the department

947
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:23,460
where I got my PhD it was done before I

948
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:25,260
got there so

949
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:27,240
um and without going into all the

950
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,099
details of that

951
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:31,440
um after that program finished the

952
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:34,980
engineers and the capabilities were put

953
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,380
towards the work of this guy by the name

954
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,880
of Leonard herzenberg Lennon Lee

955
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:40,560
herzenberg immunologist who ended up

956
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:43,740
being my my graduate student mentors and

957
00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:45,900
he created this instrument called the

958
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,359
flow fluorescence activated cell sorter

959
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:49,920
which is used all over the world in

960
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:51,240
Immunology

961
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:54,420
and multi-billion dollar industry for

962
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:57,780
blood analysis uh and

963
00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:00,960
the money that came in because of that

964
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:03,000
uh to the Department of genetics through

965
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,900
the patents helped land and another

966
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:09,119
mentor of mine this guy Vern oy

967
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:10,980
developed what are called humanized

968
00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:12,180
antibodies

969
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,859
now all over the world for like a

970
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:18,660
rheumatoid arthritis that are brought in

971
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:20,760
another several billion dollars

972
00:40:25,730 --> 00:40:23,460
and was able to attract Stanley Cohen to

973
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:25,740
be the chairman of the department and he

974
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:28,800
created the with those kinds of money he

975
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,560
created the um the what are called the

976
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:34,560
Cohen Boyer Boyer patents that were the

977
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,300
first of the genetic engineering patents

978
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:38,400
and brought in another bazillion dollars

979
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:40,320
so the department of genetics

980
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:43,260
brought in the three biggest patents at

981
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:45,000
Stanford

982
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:47,160
incredible lots of money and what was

983
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:48,599
the route

984
00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:52,440
the Viking search for life

985
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:55,880
right so the unexpected outcome was

986
00:41:00,829 --> 00:40:58,800
extraordinary benefit to humanity so

987
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,839
let's take that model

988
00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:03,119
and apply it to the study of some of

989
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:04,740
these other materials that might be out

990
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:05,460
there

991
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:07,740
and the unexpected benefits will be

992
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:09,720
again extraordinary Lou Elizondo talks

993
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:12,780
about the the the number of the economic

994
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:16,440
benefit from what happened with uh with

995
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:18,839
the Apollo missions right all of the

996
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:21,240
inventions that came because of that

997
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,359
and so it's it's it's that kind of

998
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:26,880
opportunity I think that we're we're

999
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:28,380
currently missing

1000
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,660
uh and and not taking advantage of and

1001
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:32,880
it's a it's an opportunity missed truly

1002
00:41:38,089 --> 00:41:35,880
is right and it's a sort of um you know

1003
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:38,099
disservice to the general population not

1004
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:40,680
to disclose what reality is these things

1005
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:43,140
are here if we have some other form of

1006
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,240
intelligent or intelligence it could be

1007
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:47,700
a complicated as you know it's all the

1008
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:49,980
above we've looked at different you know

1009
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:52,440
extra-term pastoral interdimensional you

1010
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,660
know extraterrestrial like it could be

1011
00:41:59,810 --> 00:41:56,880
an issue is complex it could be all the

1012
00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:59,820
above you know and uh I understand that

1013
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:01,020
you know it's hard to tell the general

1014
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,820
public but at the same time if that's

1015
00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:05,760
part of reality if that's part of the uh

1016
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:08,579
you know part of the universe uh that

1017
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:10,260
should be something that should be

1018
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,660
disclosed to the general population so

1019
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:14,640
you know but I I think as well that we

1020
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,640
you know I've said this before we we

1021
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:19,440
shouldn't be waiting for Daddy to tell

1022
00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:22,260
us it's okay to think or understand what

1023
00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:24,359
we know right I mean if if you've

1024
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,339
observed something if you're a so-called

1025
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,839
experience or you don't need anybody to

1026
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:29,520
give you permission to know what it is

1027
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:31,619
what you saw right

1028
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:33,540
um you know you might have interpreted

1029
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:36,720
it incorrectly or whatever but you know

1030
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,380
you don't need permission so I think

1031
00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:43,200
I think you know the the general public

1032
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:44,940
looks to the government

1033
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:47,220
for permission to understand or believe

1034
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:48,540
something

1035
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:51,540
the government uses scientists to

1036
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:55,440
validate that and so indirectly then the

1037
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:57,000
public is looking to scientists to

1038
00:43:03,050 --> 00:43:00,060
validate it I don't need the government

1039
00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:03,060
to allow me to validate something I just

1040
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:05,400
need to create a sufficient body of

1041
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:08,700
literature where I can become you know I

1042
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,160
can become the expert or an expert in it

1043
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:12,960
you know and Avi lobe is doing a great

1044
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:14,940
job at this with the stuff that I know

1045
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,619
he's about to publish I mean there's

1046
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:19,140
nothing extraordinary he's just he's

1047
00:43:23,569 --> 00:43:20,819
just publishing his materials and

1048
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:23,579
methods of how he's doing the analysis

1049
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,859
in the first first iteration but

1050
00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:27,359
hopefully soon enough he'll have

1051
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:28,980
observations

1052
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:32,040
do you have any info on cool projects

1053
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:33,599
going on maybe some of the stuff that's

1054
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:35,220
not as easily I'm not saying give away

1055
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:37,859
any secrets but anything cool any

1056
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:39,540
projects things we're looking at

1057
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,220
studying that you could share with our

1058
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:46,069
um well I mean I'm this is more indirect

1059
00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:51,000
but I I'm uh part of uh avi's Copernicus

1060
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:52,859
space Corporation I don't know if you

1061
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,420
know about that

1062
00:44:02,030 --> 00:43:57,359
um and that's um uh basically an attempt

1063
00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:02,040
to make uh thousands of little uh

1064
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:04,619
devices that we're gonna spew across the

1065
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:08,640
solar system to uh both look for life as

1066
00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:12,240
well as look for uh remnants of past

1067
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:17,700
visits right why wait for NASA to create

1068
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:20,579
a billion dollar you know rocket to go

1069
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:22,440
one place when we went with a with

1070
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:23,940
several hundred million dollars we can

1071
00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:25,980
create thousands of little uh

1072
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:28,920
observation cameras that are disposable

1073
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:31,260
and you know the technology is is there

1074
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:34,260
for it uh and he's got quite a who's who

1075
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:37,740
of people on The Advisory Board

1076
00:44:42,589 --> 00:44:40,619
um with him one of the one of the areas

1077
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:42,599
that I'm involved with is is how to

1078
00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:45,180
design things that would would go back

1079
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:49,020
to Mars and look for Life uh and do it

1080
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:51,480
in a way that gets around the

1081
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,180
um the perchlorate problem on the

1082
00:45:00,109 --> 00:44:56,400
surface of Mars that uh basically

1083
00:45:02,109 --> 00:45:00,119
interfered with the um the analysis of

1084
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:02,119
the Viking results

1085
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:04,440
perchlorates just are being they're

1086
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,319
they're very organically they're active

1087
00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:09,480
against Organics and and could mimic

1088
00:45:13,609 --> 00:45:11,700
some of the ways that the life was being

1089
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,619
tested for with the with the Vikings it

1090
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:16,560
was unexpected those results but

1091
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:19,200
um so I mean there's that

1092
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:23,700
I I have seen data from a couple of

1093
00:45:30,349 --> 00:45:26,520
groups now that were pretty

1094
00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:30,359
extraordinary and obvious interactions

1095
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:33,420
with something I mean I don't want to

1096
00:45:38,089 --> 00:45:35,640
get into the details I'll I'll wait for

1097
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,099
them to to you know get their data

1098
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:39,359
together I'm going to help them write up

1099
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:40,980
the paper

1100
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:43,079
um but I've never seen anything so

1101
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:44,220
extraordinary

1102
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,700
wait I'm sorry for being you know

1103
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:49,680
you've got to respect people too and

1104
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,720
these are these are your peers right so

1105
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,520
yeah you gotta quickly get a name for

1106
00:45:56,510 --> 00:45:55,200
just giving away people's work nobody

1107
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:56,520
wants to work with you anymore nobody

1108
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:57,900
wants to work with you anymore but it's

1109
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:01,380
it's it is extraordinary if we can if we

1110
00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:04,740
can get it down I mean it'll it was a it

1111
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:06,599
was a once only event but it was

1112
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:09,540
recorded by two cameras and it was very

1113
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,339
close up

1114
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:14,160
um and uh you know I I don't know how to

1115
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:17,700
explain it uh but it it clearly reacted

1116
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:19,859
to their

1117
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:20,520
um

1118
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,800
to their uh signal uh and it got up and

1119
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,780
it got up close and personal

1120
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:30,240
uh so you know hopefully they'll be able

1121
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,460
to put that together in a way that is

1122
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,839
publishable

1123
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:35,280
you know I mentioned this all the time

1124
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:37,380
but if there's another incident like

1125
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:40,260
took place over Phoenix Arizona in 1997

1126
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:42,900
I believe it was 1997.

1127
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,839
um if that happens again the the

1128
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:47,280
government will have absolutely nothing

1129
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:49,980
to say on the topic or will be left you

1130
00:46:52,809 --> 00:46:51,060
know with a bunch of questions from

1131
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:52,819
people because everybody will record it

1132
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:55,020
everybody's got these amazing cameras

1133
00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:56,579
now building the phones which I can't

1134
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,440
even fathom the the amount of you know

1135
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,260
pixels that it takes but it's just it's

1136
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:03,359
crazy that if this happens again and it

1137
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:04,920
will because throughout history there's

1138
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:06,660
been incidences where someone applies

1139
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:08,280
over a city

1140
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:10,020
um you know that's that's really at that

1141
00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:11,339
point where the government's gonna have

1142
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:12,900
nothing to say they have you know it's

1143
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:14,940
not a secret program nobody would fly it

1144
00:47:20,329 --> 00:47:17,579
you know 100 feet above a small city

1145
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,339
with a black triangle you know

1146
00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:22,319
um so yeah that that's it's always on my

1147
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:23,940
mind that this is going to happen this

1148
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,579
is why disclosure is seeping into the

1149
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:29,040
population more than pouring in is that

1150
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,560
people are experiencing this on a global

1151
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:33,359
scale it's not just the United States

1152
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:36,119
and Canada I mean people in China are

1153
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:37,859
experiencing the same problems as we are

1154
00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:41,640
here so it's a global issue and um I had

1155
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:44,180
a question for you and this is

1156
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:47,220
hypothetical but what do you think would

1157
00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:49,980
be needed to bring this to a global

1158
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:52,380
attention like for like a global issue

1159
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,060
because every government's working on

1160
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:56,339
this separately on their own there's no

1161
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,260
collaboration well the United States and

1162
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,720
Canada are collaborating but

1163
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:02,400
um what would it take to bring this to

1164
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:04,680
the Forefront of the global scientific

1165
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:06,060
community

1166
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:10,020
well either an event that is viewed by

1167
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:12,300
multiple people just as you were saying

1168
00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:15,240
right and it's been curiously quiet in

1169
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:17,160
terms of the you know you had like the

1170
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:19,380
Hudson Valley you had Arizona a few

1171
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,760
other events although there was one

1172
00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:23,280
recently in Texas right

1173
00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:25,260
um again Leslie Keane did a good good

1174
00:48:28,849 --> 00:48:28,140
job of that one

1175
00:48:31,609 --> 00:48:28,859
um

1176
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:31,619
you know I think uh

1177
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,780
perhaps the other way is that from the

1178
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,000
political angle is what's going on with

1179
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:39,599
project Titan and San Marino right where

1180
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,180
you've got the country of San Marino the

1181
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,119
Republic of San Marino uh has agreed to

1182
00:48:50,809 --> 00:48:47,819
bring it in front of the U.N to

1183
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:50,819
basically petition the UN Now to create

1184
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:53,640
a committee and with

1185
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,839
um Biden's uh interagency task force as

1186
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,520
uh as precedent

1187
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:02,400
you could imagine that uh it might go a

1188
00:49:06,829 --> 00:49:04,680
little bit further uh in the U.N than it

1189
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:06,839
did previously previously I think the UK

1190
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,319
voted the the issue down

1191
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,240
um when it was brought up you know Years

1192
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,119
Ago by Grenada

1193
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:18,319
um so we'll see what happens with that

1194
00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:20,940
it's uh but you're always up against

1195
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:23,339
this notion of there's so much important

1196
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,020
things going on there's Ukraine war

1197
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,880
Russia et cetera why should we be paying

1198
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:28,800
any attention to this you know that's

1199
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:31,740
always used as the leverage against

1200
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,980
doing analysis uh but I think it's a

1201
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:36,480
false equivalence

1202
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:38,940
to try is that you know we can walk and

1203
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:41,400
chew gum at the same time but I think I

1204
00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:44,339
I think it's just going to take

1205
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:47,400
uh frankly it might it might take people

1206
00:49:53,050 --> 00:49:49,980
outside of the United States to actually

1207
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:53,060
do it because we've just got such

1208
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:56,280
built-in controls against it that the US

1209
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,700
might never be able to to overcome it I

1210
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:02,160
mean frankly I have suppressed it if I

1211
00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:03,599
were president I would keep firing

1212
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:05,400
people at the at the Air Force until

1213
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:07,740
they until I was able to get somebody in

1214
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,980
charge who would do what I said yeah

1215
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:12,960
fair enough but if they have suppressed

1216
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:15,060
it for decades it makes sense why they

1217
00:50:18,829 --> 00:50:16,680
can't just be so forthcoming and maybe

1218
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:18,839
the people in power now they were just

1219
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,760
dealt this mess they didn't make the

1220
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:23,040
policies in the 40s but they're stuck

1221
00:50:28,010 --> 00:50:25,079
living with the results so I think there

1222
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:28,020
is some hesitation there right yeah I

1223
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:28,980
don't know

1224
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:31,740
We're not gonna we're not it's not going

1225
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:33,420
to be answered by us talking about it

1226
00:50:37,609 --> 00:50:35,700
unfortunately yeah absolutely now

1227
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:37,619
there's I I have only one question left

1228
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,380
on my part but uh there's the science

1229
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:43,200
aspect of these objects and and how they

1230
00:50:47,150 --> 00:50:45,060
maneuver all that and there seems to be

1231
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,160
also a Consciousness aspect to it as

1232
00:50:51,609 --> 00:50:49,440
well I've heard you talk a bit about the

1233
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:51,619
basal ganglia I think I pronounced that

1234
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:55,040
correctly some people have it more

1235
00:50:59,329 --> 00:50:57,780
active than others and the people that

1236
00:51:01,490 --> 00:50:59,339
have it more active than others tend to

1237
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,500
be more on the experiencer side or

1238
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,839
witnessing side or you know stuff seems

1239
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:06,240
to happen to them a bit more if if I got

1240
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:07,619
that correctly

1241
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,460
um

1242
00:51:12,109 --> 00:51:10,319
on the conscious side of things though

1243
00:51:13,609 --> 00:51:12,119
this does affect us like you know

1244
00:51:15,950 --> 00:51:13,619
somebody has a close encounter we're

1245
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,960
talking to Sean Cahill he was affected

1246
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:18,240
by it Kevin Day the radar operator was

1247
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:19,680
affected by it I mean a lot of people

1248
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:21,300
that you've spoken to they're all

1249
00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:24,900
affected by it on on some deep level so

1250
00:51:28,750 --> 00:51:27,000
this is more than just objects in the

1251
00:51:31,370 --> 00:51:28,760
skies this is also some sort of

1252
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,380
interaction yeah

1253
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:33,720
right yeah yeah

1254
00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:36,599
um so let me give a little bit of color

1255
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:39,059
around the basal ganglia the basal

1256
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,980
ganglia you have one on each side of

1257
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,200
your uh brain

1258
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:44,640
um and it's a pretty complicated

1259
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:47,400
structure uh and it's an evolutionarily

1260
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:50,880
uh ancient structure as well but more

1261
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:53,160
developed in in humans and it's actually

1262
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:56,040
a particular area of the basal ganglia

1263
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,660
which is the head of the caudate and the

1264
00:52:01,490 --> 00:51:59,280
pitamin which are these sort of

1265
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:01,500
overlapping areas with these tendrils

1266
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:03,540
that reach from the pertainment into the

1267
00:52:11,390 --> 00:52:04,980
caudate

1268
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,400
this we saw an increase of neural

1269
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:14,400
density uh and that we first thought was

1270
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:16,440
damaged but later realized it wasn't

1271
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:18,000
damaged

1272
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:19,559
um and that was what was common amongst

1273
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:21,300
a lot of these individuals and we think

1274
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:23,160
it wasn't common because they were

1275
00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:25,619
experiencers uh we think it was just

1276
00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:27,000
common because they were high

1277
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:28,740
functioning individuals

1278
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:33,480
but the a couple of people who were uh

1279
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:36,300
claimed an alleged remote viewers of

1280
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:41,220
high Merit had it even more so than most

1281
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:42,540
of the other people and we just happened

1282
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:46,020
to have those brain scans kit had those

1283
00:52:50,329 --> 00:52:47,220
brain scans

1284
00:52:52,910 --> 00:52:50,339
and uh so that's what clued is in to the

1285
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:52,920
notion that okay well what is it that

1286
00:52:58,670 --> 00:52:56,280
these high functioning individuals and

1287
00:53:01,609 --> 00:52:58,680
uh these remote viewers might have in

1288
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:01,619
common and we intuited that it was

1289
00:53:06,589 --> 00:53:04,619
intuition and that was really the that

1290
00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:06,599
was the and there was very little in the

1291
00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:08,700
literature about that at the time just a

1292
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:11,940
couple of studies done that showed when

1293
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:15,660
um a form of Japanese chess when the

1294
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:19,040
when people made an extraordinarily

1295
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:22,200
unexpected non-linear move this area of

1296
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:25,859
the brain lit up in fmri functional MRI

1297
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:28,079
um looking for glucose use basically in

1298
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:30,540
your MRI and

1299
00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:31,319
um

1300
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:36,059
it has now in dozens of papers been

1301
00:53:42,829 --> 00:53:39,720
validated that the caudate size function

1302
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,839
structure is related to information

1303
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:45,359
processing and

1304
00:53:48,650 --> 00:53:47,700
um and intuition I mean it's just it's

1305
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:48,660
it's

1306
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:51,420
it is undoubted now so everybody who was

1307
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,859
like laughing at me when I was saying

1308
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:54,900
this is like you you guys can just go

1309
00:53:59,390 --> 00:53:56,700
all you can go sit in the corner you

1310
00:54:01,370 --> 00:53:59,400
were wrong I was right

1311
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:01,380
um and uh

1312
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:03,720
and so that's fascinating

1313
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,160
um and it's more fascinating because

1314
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:07,680
there's a person I know here in Silicon

1315
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:09,660
Valley who's doing

1316
00:54:15,290 --> 00:54:11,579
um transcranial stimulation with sound

1317
00:54:18,170 --> 00:54:15,300
waves and uh one of the things that

1318
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,180
we're gonna try is

1319
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:19,920
um basically seeing if we can twiddle

1320
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:23,040
this area of the brain and cause people

1321
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:24,980
to think differently

1322
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:28,380
so uh I think that might be that might

1323
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,180
be different I know that he was able to

1324
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:32,160
do this with

1325
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:36,000
um high functioning meditators and they

1326
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:38,280
they were able to achieve the meditative

1327
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:41,220
state that took them 11 years to do just

1328
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:43,740
by him flipping the switch

1329
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:47,520
uh and that's fascinating right so

1330
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:49,380
um there's not something you can just

1331
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:51,420
you can do because everybody's brain is

1332
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:52,740
a little bit different so you have to

1333
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,140
map it first and then you know you want

1334
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,599
to twiddle the right areas and you you

1335
00:55:01,089 --> 00:54:59,520
you don't want to twiddle the foot

1336
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:01,099
fetish side of things

1337
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:03,660
all of a sudden all of a sudden it's

1338
00:55:08,349 --> 00:55:06,300
like oh that feels good threw the guy up

1339
00:55:12,829 --> 00:55:08,359
for life if you do it wrong yeah

1340
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:12,839
that's crazy so and and at the con not

1341
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:14,099
the consciousness of it but you were

1342
00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:15,660
talking about um you know looking at the

1343
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,319
brain and uh this basal ganglia uh just

1344
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:20,640
quickly because you were mentioning

1345
00:55:24,589 --> 00:55:22,140
about you know opening different areas

1346
00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:24,599
would the telepathic communication

1347
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:26,760
between these entities and humans have

1348
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:28,800
something to do with those well that's

1349
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:29,640
where

1350
00:55:31,930 --> 00:55:30,599
um

1351
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:31,940
I mean

1352
00:55:37,549 --> 00:55:35,880
intuition is a flash of insight and the

1353
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:37,559
insights that different people get are

1354
00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:41,579
either visual or auditory or emotional

1355
00:55:45,530 --> 00:55:43,319
um and so whatever these insights are

1356
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:45,540
whether they're coming from outside

1357
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:49,920
the brain or the akashic field as some

1358
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:52,640
people would like to think or or

1359
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:56,040
transmitted from another place

1360
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,480
um somehow these ideas come fully formed

1361
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:02,880
as pictures you know people who do

1362
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:04,140
remote viewing and I did a remote

1363
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:07,380
viewing once only once with this guy Ed

1364
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,040
May who's a specialist in it and you

1365
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:13,200
know you get these flashes and it's like

1366
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:15,960
okay how did I get a flash of something

1367
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,660
like that where I get the I get the

1368
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,359
complete image so it's it's overlaying

1369
00:56:25,790 --> 00:56:24,000
onto probably pre-existing Hardware is

1370
00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:25,800
the way to think about it and if your

1371
00:56:31,069 --> 00:56:28,260
Hardware happens to be if you're if

1372
00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:31,079
you're a visual person or if you're a an

1373
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:34,440
a a listening person or you have other

1374
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:39,180
you know you olfactory or what have you

1375
00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:41,040
um the information can come in through

1376
00:56:47,569 --> 00:56:43,619
multiple channels but it's somehow being

1377
00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:47,579
coming in almost fully formed so I think

1378
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:49,079
that that's where

1379
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,180
if you want to imagine that

1380
00:56:56,569 --> 00:56:53,280
Consciousness is something separate from

1381
00:56:59,870 --> 00:56:56,579
the brain that the information must be

1382
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,880
coming pre-packaged hitting the

1383
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:02,400
Consciousness but then is relayed onto

1384
00:57:07,609 --> 00:57:05,220
the brain uh and then manifested and

1385
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:07,619
understood in the brain that way but

1386
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:09,900
it's still coming as a package of

1387
00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:12,559
information not this kind of linear

1388
00:57:16,849 --> 00:57:14,460
Morse code

1389
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:16,859
which is then decoded as coming as like

1390
00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:21,000
a a Gestalt of uh of information so I

1391
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:23,339
don't understand how that happens at all

1392
00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:25,800
and I'm not saying that it's Wu uh or

1393
00:57:31,309 --> 00:57:28,619
anything like that but it it clearly

1394
00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:31,319
comes and has is either coming from your

1395
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,260
unconscious and then reaches up and

1396
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:37,440
impacts as a gestaltic picture or it's

1397
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:39,900
coming from outside in the same way I'm

1398
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:42,900
interested in both right uh because it's

1399
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,119
it's just fascinating

1400
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:46,559
um and we could we could go on and on

1401
00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:48,300
about Consciousness and where it comes

1402
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:49,079
from

1403
00:57:52,790 --> 00:57:50,700
although there's a really interesting

1404
00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:52,800
physicist

1405
00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:55,380
um I always forget his name but he came

1406
00:58:01,630 --> 00:57:58,920
up with a a theory of

1407
00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:01,640
um sort of of

1408
00:58:05,870 --> 00:58:04,619
a quantum theory of a way a way it was

1409
00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:05,880
not strengthening or anything like that

1410
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:07,260
where he showed that as different

1411
00:58:12,109 --> 00:58:09,960
structures get created

1412
00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:12,119
um you uh and more complicated

1413
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,740
structures get created such as in the

1414
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,119
brain

1415
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,520
um that it actually creates the ability

1416
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:20,880
to create something which is independent

1417
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:23,819
of the materials that created it and

1418
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:25,079
he's basically saying it's where the

1419
00:58:28,849 --> 00:58:26,940
soul or Consciousness is how it's

1420
00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:28,859
created

1421
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:31,260
um and that it it basically is built

1422
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,680
from uh from the structures in the brain

1423
00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:36,720
that then creates a Consciousness which

1424
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:38,700
then could actually exist independent of

1425
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:40,859
the structure that created it wow

1426
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,920
fascinating stuff amazing amazing uh

1427
00:58:47,210 --> 00:58:45,839
where can um where can people find you

1428
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:47,220
not to cut you off I don't want to keep

1429
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,900
you longer than we promised we would but

1430
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,880
I want to get that in so you can finish

1431
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,079
your point but then we want to know

1432
00:58:56,510 --> 00:58:54,480
where we can uh where I mean I think you

1433
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,520
know Twitter is best I I'm afraid to

1434
00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:58,559
give anybody my my email these days

1435
00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:00,420
because my email is already like

1436
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,940
completely overloaded

1437
00:59:05,890 --> 00:59:04,559
um but you know you can find me through

1438
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:05,900
Stanford

1439
00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:09,020
genolan at stanford.edu

1440
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,359
and if you put the word

1441
00:59:18,650 --> 00:59:15,359
UAP somewhere in the in the thing it

1442
00:59:20,569 --> 00:59:18,660
gets shunted to the right subfolder for

1443
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:20,579
me where I then can pay attention to it

1444
00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:23,940
knowing what I'm looking at I you know I

1445
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,540
I would hesitate for people to just fill

1446
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,760
my inbox because there's actually a lot

1447
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:30,960
of

1448
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:33,359
um important cancer related research

1449
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:35,400
that goes into that that I need to you

1450
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:37,859
know right it can't be interfered with

1451
00:59:43,569 --> 00:59:41,280
by my side interests right yeah you got

1452
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:43,579
you got your day job

1453
00:59:48,530 --> 00:59:46,380
which is uh yeah

1454
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,540
I mean and the day job is really about

1455
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:50,640
the students and the postdocs

1456
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,640
um and the research so I I have to they

1457
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:55,920
have to remain at the front of the line

1458
00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:58,319
yeah no we thank you for coming on the

1459
01:00:02,089 --> 00:59:59,880
podcast like I said right now you're

1460
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:02,099
you're one of the big guns uh you're at

1461
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,680
the Forefront uh Fighting For You know

1462
01:00:09,470 --> 01:00:07,200
open mind and disclosure and you know

1463
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:09,480
it's great to to be able to have you on

1464
01:00:12,530 --> 01:00:11,160
and talk to you and pick your brain a

1465
01:00:14,930 --> 01:00:12,540
little bit about some stuff we were just

1466
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,940
curious about and uh from this side of

1467
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,040
the border on Canada we fully support

1468
01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:19,200
yeah like uh just absolutely believe in

1469
01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:22,740
what you're doing so great yeah it was a

1470
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:24,780
fun it was a fun discussion I'm sorry

1471
01:00:30,730 --> 01:00:28,140
about the glitches no worries blame the

1472
01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:30,740
orbs we blame you in the orbs

1473
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:34,200
awesome thank you so much Gary